tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post113176694634513585..comments2023-10-30T06:01:02.889-04:00Comments on don't call me Veronica: i figured out what the emerging church is!tonymyleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11396458619687708153noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1165354645650786082006-12-05T16:37:00.000-05:002006-12-05T16:37:00.000-05:00Honestly, I would agree with some of your conclusi...Honestly, I would agree with some of your conclusions of McClaren. I've heard him take stands on some of the issues you mentioned, but in most of his interviews and otherwise he errors on the side of promoting conversation that just saying, "Here's what I believe, so get on my side of the line."<BR/><BR/>Personally, I'm uncomfortable with it... and yet I also appreciate his willingness to take bullets in order to get us talking.<BR/><BR/>You mentioned Jesus never did that... and yet only in a few spots of Scripture did he clearly articulate himself as the Messiah. It was always assumed and presumed through his teaching, but I find it interesting that the "I am he" statement was a rare commodity in his speech.<BR/><BR/>Kind of makes me wonder... can both the "articulates" and the "non-articulates" (i.e. McClaren) claim the same Messiah?tonymyleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11396458619687708153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1165353038509273102006-12-05T16:10:00.000-05:002006-12-05T16:10:00.000-05:00Myles,As far as I see it, the emerging church that...Myles,<BR/><BR/>As far as I see it, the emerging church that Brian McLaren promotes does not adjust to what the Scripture say. He denies that Jesus is the "only" way to be saved, he takes no stand on what the Bible crearly condems such as homosexuality, and he is very evasive and ambigiuos when it comes to difining things. I've never seen Jesus do that. Do you believe that this type of belief system should be promoted in Church? I don't see it as "Christian" but more of an ecumenic movement. What's your point of view?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133563059147017752005-12-02T17:37:00.000-05:002005-12-02T17:37:00.000-05:00Haha I know huh?"It came, I saw, It went, I'm disa...Haha I know huh?<BR/><BR/>"It came, I saw, It went, I'm disappointed"<BR/><BR/>Also, congrats on the new one :) <BR/><BR/>And! I was also thinking... wouldn't it just be easier to comprise a list of what the Emerging church IS NOT?Frank Martenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13962831912421867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133554551901332942005-12-02T15:15:00.000-05:002005-12-02T15:15:00.000-05:00Ha! An emerging church plant... getting old. Pre...Ha! An emerging church plant... getting old. Pretty soon emergent will be "that thing that emerged."tonymyleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11396458619687708153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133541668491851532005-12-02T11:41:00.000-05:002005-12-02T11:41:00.000-05:00good word, I've been a part of a church that is do...good word, I've been a part of a church that is doing a church plant that calls itself "emerging".<BR/><BR/>It really is getting oldFrank Martenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13962831912421867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133481253021154942005-12-01T18:54:00.000-05:002005-12-01T18:54:00.000-05:00Somebody else was talking about this same topic ye...Somebody else was talking about this same topic yesterday...check it out:<BR/><BR/>http://purgatorio1.blogspot.com/2005/11/you-might-be-emerging-if.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133471424576823582005-12-01T16:10:00.000-05:002005-12-01T16:10:00.000-05:00So perhaps "Emergent" and the "Emerging Church" le...So perhaps "Emergent" and the "Emerging Church" leaders are like the kid who took really good notes in class... and then when you missed something you'd ask, "Dude, can I borrow your notebook for a second?"tonymyleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11396458619687708153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133452208948655702005-12-01T10:50:00.000-05:002005-12-01T10:50:00.000-05:00And I think that is what the Emergent Church is tr...And I think that is what the Emergent Church is trying to do. Not just talk but lend some application to being the church rather than talking about Being the Church.Gerrard Fesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811340019243548057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133444845580831892005-12-01T08:47:00.000-05:002005-12-01T08:47:00.000-05:00Good call pastor Tony. But I'd also like to add t...Good call pastor Tony. But I'd also like to add that we actually do something. There are times I think we all talk too much.Out Of Jerseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07698802395603296603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133407590850301882005-11-30T22:26:00.000-05:002005-11-30T22:26:00.000-05:00I like your idea, but I'd like to tweak it.I hope ...I like your idea, but I'd like to tweak it.<BR/><BR/>I hope there is room for continued <I>conversations</I>... not about our opinions, but about trying to wrestle down some Truth together. <BR/><BR/>There's a difference - the goal of grey opinions is to let everyone have a voice.<BR/><BR/>The goal of wrestling down Truth together (from all sides) is to allow <I><B>God's voice</I></B> to be heard.tonymyleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11396458619687708153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133403599537464872005-11-30T21:19:00.000-05:002005-11-30T21:19:00.000-05:00while i don't think we should get caught up in som...while i don't think we should get caught up in some new form of "church", i do believe God is moving, and tranforming the church to meet the changes of culture. i enjoyed the post, saying we don't know what it looks like yet, or where it is going, but we certainly can enjoy being a part of a much needed change, and hopefully what will be known as Post-Protestantism. Do we all have hopes for the church? One of mine is that all these non-essential doctrinal differences will all melt away. This was definately a downfall of the Protestant, humanistic movement which focused so heavily on original sources and getting the precise understanding of a text. While this is good, there is so much in the Scriptures that is debatable or unclear, and those of this modern movement could not accept that, and there need to "be sure" and "biblical" led to a terrible splinterning of the church. i hope part of what is emerging in the church is the ability to accept that we don't know all the details of God's plan, and there is room for grey and differing opinions.White Rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03168074166580128628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133390278800306572005-11-30T17:37:00.000-05:002005-11-30T17:37:00.000-05:00http://thecubiclereverend.blogspot.com/2005/11/con...http://thecubiclereverend.blogspot.com/2005/11/contest-help-cubicle-reverend-come-up.html<BR/><BR/>CONTEST AT MY BLOGOut Of Jerseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07698802395603296603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133377094983750402005-11-30T13:58:00.000-05:002005-11-30T13:58:00.000-05:00Thank you Chris, you spoke my sentiments much bett...Thank you Chris, you spoke my sentiments much better than I could have. <BR/>DaveOut Of Jerseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07698802395603296603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133374441296139942005-11-30T13:14:00.000-05:002005-11-30T13:14:00.000-05:00Derek...You, apparently, need to keep reading abou...Derek...You, apparently, need to keep reading about the emergent church. YS is no longer publishing the emergent line. I don't think they got bored with it as Tony seems to have, but they realized it was distracting them from their calling. Youth Ministers.<BR/><BR/>I have to say that I generally dislike anything that distracts from the purpose. Labels seem to do that. Don't worry about what label your church is. Instead, be the church God has called you to be in the community he has called you to be in. If you fit into the emergent thing, great, if not, great. I would rather fit into God's will and be left out of some group that I admire then be in the group and missing God's call on my life. Just my thought. <BR/><BR/>Thanks, Tony, for the insight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133360071913450622005-11-30T09:14:00.000-05:002005-11-30T09:14:00.000-05:00would u like to touch my monkey...?touch him!love ...would u like to touch my monkey...?<BR/><BR/>touch him!<BR/><BR/>love him!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133358954543874572005-11-30T08:55:00.000-05:002005-11-30T08:55:00.000-05:00I think we are trying too hard and worrying about ...I think we are trying too hard and worrying about the wrong the wrong things. I do not know if I'm emerging or not, quite frankly I do not care. If I am seeking God, have Christ in my heart, serve and love others, then we'll see what happens from there.Out Of Jerseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07698802395603296603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133356492514728712005-11-30T08:14:00.000-05:002005-11-30T08:14:00.000-05:00"...we keep reading and listening to the same clif..."...we keep reading and listening to the same cliff notes (just with a different time stamp on them)."<BR/><BR/>That's it... I'm never buying another "Emergent YS" book again! :-)Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06521600838840002757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15733794.post-1133346526414786952005-11-30T05:28:00.000-05:002005-11-30T05:28:00.000-05:00Hey Tony, great post! I had never even heard of t...Hey Tony, great post! I had never even heard of the Emergent Church until about a month ago when I started investigating this blog thing. In my humble opinion, you hit the nail on the head with one word...supernaturally. We can strategize all we want with our natural minds, but we will come up empty. Peter fished all night and had nothing to show for it. Jesus told him to drop his net on the other side of the boat. I'm sure Peter was thinking, "Uh, Jesus, not to be rude, but I'm a professional. I have been doing this for years. I tried the other side five minutes ago and there was nothing." I don't know about you, but I detect a bit of sarcasm when he stated, "But because YOU said to, I'll try it." Boom. Fish. More fish than he could handle. I think our job at this point is to get in the habit of trusting Him and obeying Him. It's time we pay attention to His voice and His leading instead of sifting through man's opinions for what makes "sense" to us.Mark Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02164695468139415570noreply@blogger.com